Hear Reza Qorbanie’s Origin Story

This is a wild episode and it is a long one (we also swear a fair bit so consider yourself warned).

I met Reza through my work at Prosperity. At the time, Reza was partnered in running a marketing agency specialising in SEM. He had a reputation of being a party and when he visited Sydney (he’s based in Adelaide), I ended up with a very nasty hangover the very next day – a fault completely I own.

Fast-forward 12-months, I slowly realised Reza was undergoing a transformation. He had stopped drinking. He had taken steps to practice mindfulness and his behaviour was significantly different to who I had originally met.

You see, Reza is only 20 years old. By all social measures, he was successful. And in this episode, we dive deep into how his financial success from running Marketing X impacted his personal and business life.

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DANIEL: Hello, everyone. My name is Daniel K. Cheung and I’m the host of Make SEO Simple Again, where ironically we do not really talk about SEO but rather dive into the personal stories of people who work within the digital marketing field. In this episode, I sit down with Reza Qorbanie and we have a very deep one-on-one conversation on life, on business, and how people-to- people relationships affect both arenas. At the time of recording, Reza is only 20 years old. To give you a perspective, I just turned 35, yet Reza has his own marketing agency called MarketingX since his late teenage years. I was nowhere as amazing when I was 17 or 18, as my parents would tell you.

By all social measurements, Reza is successful but this financial success came at a huge price and we dive deep into what it cost Reza and how they have shaped his approach to life. As always, I partake in some swearing throughout this episode, so please keep this in mind if you’re around children or listening in an open public space. So, let’s get right into it.

Reza, why don’t you tell me a bit about who you are and I’m intrigued by your surname because I know it’s not Australian. So just give us a little introduction of who you are.

REZA: Sure. Daniel, first and foremost, thank you very much for being here and finding me here. Just to give some background, I was born in Iran in 1999 and I came here about 2000 on a boat. We stayed in like those camps for four years.

DANIEL: Gulf war fallout or post?

REZA: It was post-Gulf war, yeah.

DANIEL: George Bush!

REZA: George Bush, yeah, pretty much. And yeah, look, long story short, it was a really traumatic childhood for my family and I, and we grew up very poor. We didn’t have – like all my clothes were from op shops. It was really hard for my family and I, and from a very young age I wanted to be able to support my family. So when I was 15 in high school, I dropped out because I was bored and I started to learn email marketing, online marketing. And then in about a year, I started to do campaigns for clients. I started my own agency and at 16 I was doing my first six figure campaign for clients, yeah.

DANIEL: Wow.

REZA: So I learnt super fast and within a year I was making over – I was making a very solid amount to take care of my family in Australia and back in Iran. And you know, I just really grew and grew and grew very fast, and that did come with a downfall though, because my head got a bit too big. So I started to spend a lot of money on partying, traveling a lot, which is fine.

DANIEL: Remember, you were like in your teens still.

REZA: 18 years old, 19, yeah.  It was great fun, but you know, I owed a lot in taxes. I didn’t save anything, and I just was doing like party drugs every weekend like MDMA, drinking. Drugs are bad, okay? Drugs are bad, but they’re cool. Yeah. But you know, like it’s only really been in the past year since I was 19 where I was spending a lot of time on myself, trying to figure out why the hell I was being such a loose person because it wasn’t really who I was. I was a person who was out here to, you know, expand his business. So I was doing a course called the Landmark Forum and there are their courses there, and it just made me realize who I was and it made me know why I was doing the things I was. And it turns out, a lot of the dumb shit I was I was up to, was to escape my life.

DANIEL: Which is interesting, because you had built all of these up for a certain goal to take care of yourself and your family, and yet you had all these self-destructive behaviours. What were you running away from?

REZA: You know, it turns out I was just scared of failing actually, which is very bizarre because I did so well very fast. And that was who I became to myself, my friends, this young person who has done well, but now I can’t afford to go and look bad anymore. So I must maintain this cool lifestyle of someone who barely works and just has a business going well. But it’s a toxic way of trying to live because it’s not actually authentic and it builds bad, bad, bad habits. What’s your experience, Daniel, over…? What’s your experience? You know, because you’re 30.

DANIEL: I’m significantly older. Yeah, I’m 35.

REZA: 35.

DANIEL: Actually, how old are you at the time of recording?

REZA: 20 years old.

DANIEL: Oh, my God.

REZA: Just turned 20.

DANIEL: To be 20 again and to have achieved your life experiences by that stage. I mean, for me, I don’t think I’ve ever – I can’t say I’ve reached the level of the success that I have in my head, but I have reached a level of, at least, financial security in the loosest sense. I’m not financially free, but I am at least like paying bills and making rent. That’s no longer an issue because that’s covered. But I know back in the past, when I was running my own business as a wedding photographer, like that constant pressure of when is the next payment, when is the next booking, when is the next client coming, it had a huge mental toll. And I was younger, significantly younger, and I had a lot of ego driving me then and so that fueled a lot of it. But I know one of the biggest catalysts for my own self-destruction was maybe six, seven years ago when I just came out of like a 10-year long relationship, and I just lost it.

Like every day was work and yet I had also this relationship, and then that kind of burned. And so I did a lot of things, fun things, a lot of fun things, you know. So, hookers, I had a lot of fun. That kind of shit, it’s fun. But you know, like you, I was escaping from something. I didn’t know how to react. I was afraid of what that meant. Like maybe it wasn’t really a business thing, but I’d invested 10 years into a relationship and that totally fucked up. What does that say about me? And so, you know, so similar to you, I also went through that phase. Plus, you know, being Chinese and being a first generation immigrant child, you have that pressure. Even though I know my parents never explicitly gave me that pressure, I had that burden of I have to do well.

REZA: Yup.

DANIEL: And even though, academically, I was completely crap… You know, actually, I’m a complete failure, I think I didn’t get that awareness of it’s actually okay, and that was probably the biggest stepping stone for me. And that’s why I’m talking to you as well, because I recognize that in you in the last 12 months, is that you accepted who you were. You acknowledged everything that you did in the past and you were okay with it. So thanks for asking.

REZA: No.

DANIEL: I mean…

REZA: Cheers for sharing, dude.

DANIEL: No, you’re most welcome. If you had, if you can still remember, what was the deepest, darkest moment for you?

REZA: Sure. And, Daniel, first of all, thank you for sharing that because I didn’t know about that. So that’s really cool. Daniel, I think my deepest, darkest time, it was a period, it was a big period, maybe three, four months where my business was actually doing its best at that time, but I was doing a lot of party drugs, which I wasn’t doing on weekends anymore. I was doing it at work because I was just bored.

DANIEL: Oh, wait. Are you in finance?

REZA: Yeah, I was just so bored with my life, which is very bizarre because I was doing a lot of traveling, doing a lot of – seeing a lot of clients. My life was actually very cool, but I was blind to it and it started to impact how I would see the world and myself. My anxiety increased dramatically. I was sleeping very much. My health was going bad. I stopped training in the gym. And you got to the point where I was too anxious to even look people in the eyes. And this is someone who is generally pretty confident, outgoing, you know, is able to build stuff, and I couldn’t even look someone in the eye and speak to him. It was that bad. And, you know, it doesn’t sound that bad at all on the outside, but for me to have become that person, it went back so much. And there wasn’t a day that was the worst day of my life, it was all pretty bad at that time. But the only thing that I was upset about was the time I wasted because I could have been running a business four times as large as it is now. And now it’s not even really that big at all. It’s been very stable because I’ve been complacent. How about you? Like what was the darkest time in your life?

DANIEL: Probably like what I mentioned before, because it was more of a personal issue and that clouded over everything else. And at that stage, I was running my own agency in the terms of, it was a wedding photography studio, I had actually full staff, and I didn’t know how to manage them. Like I actually didn’t have any formal training of how to give them feedback when they had messed up and I just let it slide. And at that stage, we landed a quite a big client for a job and we fucked up. We really actually fucked up. And so it was a scrambling process of how do you recover from that. Like fortunately they didn’t even realize, but that’s still not a good feeling. But you know, I knew this probably wasn’t the best way to move forward and I pretty much closed that business down and just came back to the roots of it’s just me as a sole trader.

Like I had that illusion of I want to run a studio, I want to have a staff, I want to have… Like we had a retail space, but it wasn’t great, but it was still something. But then, you know, that’s just superficial shit. You think people care about, but they don’t care. And I scaled all that back and I just went back to, I guess, taking care of clients because I know during that period I did stop caring to the point where I actually hired someone to just take care of all the emails because I thought I’m the big boss, I need like an assistant, and I actually hired someone for that. I didn’t give them any guidance, any training. It was just me getting rid of my responsibility, so essentially running away. And it took me losing perhaps a lot of jobs to realize something had to change. And so back to you going through that process, what made you go, “This is not me. I am not happy despite maybe money in the bank”? What caused you to turn things around?

REZA: Yeah, actually on par with the stuff you said, because I was hiring staff then that I didn’t need to do work that I could do by myself pretty easily. And it got to the point where, you know, I was starting to lose so much money from my clients because I kept losing clients and it got to the point where I was like, “Fuck, I can’t keep on going like this.” And of course I did that course called the Landmark Forum, which is a weekend program, and it was kind of like the first seed for me to start being conscious again about life.

DANIEL: I want to touch on that, like knowing something’s wrong and then taking the step to rectify it, is actually a massive step. What propelled you to go, “I’m going to do this Landmark course”?

REZA: Well, actually, at that time my employee’s dad who runs a very, very big finance company in Australia that have about 400 staff, he actually… He didn’t force me to do it, but he guided me to it, and I paid for my staff to go and do it, too. He’s a very big player and actually the first company he ever started was called Four Sticks and they raised capital from the founder of Netflix.

DANIEL: Wow.

REZA: You know, big guys. And you know, the course changed him a lot so I was like, “Alright, if it’s done good stuff for him, I’ll go do it.” And that weekend, dude, it was like a big wake-up call and it felt like I was born again. I was like, now my life can restart again. And you know, I still get fears about shit all the time, but now I can just catch it and go, okay.

It’s an inauthentic fear, which means if I’m getting stressed out behind my desk about  a deal or a phone call, it’s actually an inauthentic fear because I’m actually safe inside my office. There is no thing to be afraid of. I can catch it now and go, “Alright, stop this and just relax and get back to work.” And it’s allowed me to grow my business more now, especially on the East coast because I’m based in Adelaide, to the point where I’m planning on getting a place here now and expanding more here. I just take action now, you know?

DANIEL: So cool.

REZA: So, yeah.

DANIEL: That is a great story. Thanks for sharing that. Thank you. I know a lot of people will take like a Landmark course or self-help, self-care, and then they kind of have a bit of a mental high for a bit.

How do you sustain that every day?

REZA: Great question. So this is actually a great thing to ask because I’ve done a lot of these programs by Tony Robbins and I got a very big high for about a month, and you know, it went down. And then I went again and it wasn’t as good. The thing about this program which I’m… Look, I want everyone in my life to go and do it because it really is really good that it’s not a course on motivation. There’s no inspiring talk. There is no clapping, dancing, or songs being played. It’s a transformative course where you are engaged in a conversation with the course leader and yourself, which makes you take a look at your childhood. It makes you take a look at your current life and you learn these tools on how to see the world, on how to see things.

And these tools don’t inspire you. Well, they can inspire you but it’s like guidelines on how to go out in the world and…  Look, I’m explaining it poorly, but it’s something that stays with you. So it’s like learning a language and speaking that every day, it just stays with you. You just learn, you know. So yeah, look, it’s a thing that I’ve done a couple of times, the programs, because you can’t just train and train in the gym once and it could become [inaudible 0:14:37.9].

DANIEL: It’s like any skill, any job. You need to do it repeatedly so that there is that repetition, muscle memory. If it was the first time, you might fuck up, which is normal, and then the next time you just grow on that.

REZA: Exactly. And yeah, look, just to wrap it up in terms of that, I can now distinguish between what happens in my life and what I make it mean about myself, which is a big thing that I got from the course. And one example of this is we collapse what happens with what we make it mean to ourselves. Like you were talking about your past relationship 10 years or six years and after that happened, you fell apart, you felt really bad, which is understandable. I wasn’t really focusing doing drugs. I was making it mean that I was a loser when all that happened was, yes, I did some drugs and I had a bad come down. That’s all that happened.

DANIEL: That’s right. For me, I internalize it. I made it personal. It’s like, “I did all these and it failed. What does that say about me?” Exactly right. And it’s actually until I met my now wife, who gave me the courage to accept who I was. Well, she was accepting of me and that was probably what propelled me to just be okay with who I am, day by day. I’m not perfect, I never will be, but as long as I’m working towards something, then that’s okay. And there’s going to be bad days, there’s going to be bad months, but it’s having that clarity and awareness that everything is what it is and sometimes you just can’t control it. That’s cool. I had another question lined up for you. Oh, yes.

Earlier you said you were running away from who you were. I want to explore that. Like who do you think you are now and how is that different from when you were 18?

REZA: Yeah, sure. So I want to make a point here that who I am, who I think I am or who I say I am is actually nothing. So I am nothing and I am everything.

DANIEL:  Doesn’t matter. Yeah, yeah.

REZA: Which sounds very weird, right? Sounds very wanky. The reason why I stick with this – and I actually got this out of the forum and it stuck with me – because before, like whenever I try and see myself as someone or something, it’s toxic. Because I’ve got this identity, I’ve got this view of myself and, you know, it’s not actually empowering and I’m trapped in these orders. So who I thought I was back then was this Wolf of Wall Street guy who could do drugs and make tons of money, and party. I thought that was cool. I actually thought, Daniel, that was cool. It wasn’t who I was but I thought if I was that person it would be cool. Now I think it’s actually really cool to be clean, to have integrity, to be honest and, you know, be a man that you want to be. Someone who gets stuff done and actually is genuine.

DANIEL: From my own personal experiences, you probably wouldn’t have been able to reach that conclusion without becoming the Jordan Belfort yourself.

REZA: Exactly. Look, Daniel, that is a very empowering thing to say because I feel really very happy that you’ve said that because it puts it into perspective. Like, yeah, I had to go through that weird phase to come out now with that experience behind me. I think, you know, as you shared of your past story, I’ve never actually experienced a breakup of that caliber so I really can’t relate to it. If I pretend I did, I’d be lying. But I can guarantee you that your experience was deeply heartbreaking in a way that I couldn’t actually comprehend, but both experiences caused us to reinvent ourselves.

DANIEL: Exactly, yeah.

REZA: And how do you think your experience has shaped you to who you are now?

DANIEL: It’s like how my wife and I both tell each other, is we both went through a lot of, I guess, personal pain and challenges and without that we wouldn’t see the significant other as how we see them now. So if I had met her 10 years earlier, I don’t think there would be that attraction because we hadn’t gone through the things that made us realize what’s important in life. What do I actually want to look for in a partner? Like as a male, obviously there’s only one thing. It’s like “You gotta be hot!” but you know, my wife is hot. But that’s not the reason why you stay together. Going through all this shit which life will throw at you, there’s got to be something deeper. And without going through those trials and tribulations… Like it’s ironic because if we both say – and it took me a very long time to be comfortable even saying this is, I’m grateful for my then fiancé to have cheated on me and for me to actually man up and go, “This is over.”

Like at the time that was really painful, but now I’m kind of “glad” and I’m putting those in air quotes because, you know, at the time I wouldn’t wish that pain upon anyone else. But it’s made me who I am and it really has strengthened my resolve of what a relationship is and what life is about. And that gives me perspective across business and in personal life. So I hope I’ve answered your question there because you know, you have to go down. And you know, as the Batman movie says, “Bruce, why do we fall down?” so that we can pick ourselves up. And I think that is really the true lesson in life, is life’s going to hit you, it’s just what are you going to do about it. We have a choice, and you made that choice when you were younger. You made a certain choice, and now with those experiences you’ve also made a different set up.

And that’s all we can do as human beings, is not maybe judge ourselves so hard. Accept what is, what isn’t and just move forward.

REZA: That’s very deep. That’s freaking awesome, dude.

DANIEL: So I feel as though we’ve been talking about a lot of negative stuff, so I want to bring it a bit around. What’s your biggest win in life, Reza, in personal and in business?

REZA: I think my biggest win being someone who trusts in himself because it’s enabled me to meet James and Dion from Spearhead Media, which has in turn allowed me to come and see you, and meet you and be here now. And if it wasn’t for my… Look, my biggest win, I don’t know, but I’m just very happy and proud of myself for always taking actions and trusting myself because it’s opened doors for me that I couldn’t have ever hoped for. And I’m here speaking with you and I’ve learned a lot about you and your past. And I think it’s very inspiring because I just don’t get to hear these things from guys very often. So I think the fact that we’re here, to me, is a huge win because I flew from Adelaide to be here and see you guys. And to me, being able to see you guys every time I’m here, that is a huge win and being able to be with you as well.

DANIEL: Thank you.

REZA: To me, that means a lot. So yeah.

DANIEL: So to wrap things up, I don’t think I’ve actually introduced you in terms of your business.

REZA: Yes.

DANIEL: So go for a shameless plug, man. Tell us what you do and what’s in store for 2020.

REZA: Sure, dude. Thank you very much. So I run a marketing agency called Marketing X and I’ve started up a new one called Grow Cosmetics with my new business partner. So he’s 31 or 32. He’s got experience with building companies and teams, with that I don’t have experience in. And I think you shared about how you hired some of your staff and didn’t train them, or anything. That was me. I didn’t train out my staff either. And look, to be fair, I had no experience in team-building.

DANIEL: Yeah.

REZA: So, look, long story short, Marketing X, we do a lot of work with lawyers, eCommerce brands, so forth, but my main focus is going to go into Grow Cosmetics, which is a marketing agency, paid marketing towards the healthcare niche, so, cosmetic dentists, cosmetic surgeons. And I sent 22 emails out, you know, started this. We closed two big deals.

DANIEL: Wow.

REZA: And it’s already… And by big deals, I mean, mostly retainers and it’s already doing about 10K a month in revenue from 22 emails I’ve sent out. So I’m keen to really grow this to 50 to 60K a month by the end of the year, and then by end of 2021 be hitting 9,200K a month. So that’s my time with this and I’m sticking to it.

DANIEL: That’s awesome. I wish you all the best and I’m pretty sure with everything that you  experienced so far, all you need to do is remember who you are and you’ll hit that goal.

REZA: Definitely.

DANIEL: And it’s okay to fuck up from time to time.

REZA: Daniel, I’m fucking up so much every day, like five times.

DANIEL: The first step is to recognize that and it’s okay. Okay. So in terms of marketing, you say you’re a marketing agency-ish. What exactly? What services do you offer?

REZA: Yeah, so in the past I actually had a team. Now I don’t, it’s just me and my business partner, and we’ve got this one guy over in Asia who’s working with us. My core skills is mainly in Google Ads and I’m getting to become very great at Facebook Ads, too. I’ve done SEO, but I do it the bad way and I don’t want to anymore. Much prefer to pass that work to Prosperity Media and just focus on the paid ads. So those are my core skills. I think I wasted a lot of time the past two years with not expanding my skill sets because I was very good when I – like if I take a look back on when I started, I was actually very ahead of the curve. But I thought because I was so young, everyone else was better than me but, in fact, I was actually pretty good. So in saying that and seeing that, I’m going to expand my skills in automations, paid marketing, of course, and you know, become a top marketer in Australia and the world because I know I can do it and I’ve got the experience and the age behind me.

DANIEL: You shall do.

REZA: So I’m going to fucking do it.

DANIEL: You go, man. You crush it. And I’m sure you will.

REZA: Thank you, Daniel. And, Daniel, please also share about your blog, Daniel K. Cheung.

DANIEL: I have a certain dream, but I still haven’t, to be very honest, I don’t know what it is yet.

REZA: Okay.

DANIEL: I know like last year, for the most of 2019, it was about bringing my skill level so that I could be competent, that I could look at a project and figure out in terms of digital marketing as a whole, what was missing, what could be done. And that’s great. But my personal, I guess weakness is that I’m naturally introverted, but maybe I’m not. It’s just I’m afraid of looking like a dick or looking like someone, I don’t know anything. That’s my fear. So maybe I’m not actually introvert, I’m just afraid of how people judge me. And once I recognize that, then there’s nothing stopping me.

REZA: Once you recognize this, how do you think you’re going to recognize this?

DANIEL: I think doing this podcast is the first step.

REZA: Yep.

DANIEL: And introducing myself to other people in the market. That’s really the first step is, okay, I’ve got the knowledge now, let’s build those relationships. When we go back to, you know, what’s my biggest fuck up, it’s really I was driven by ego. I thought I was the best. I don’t need to network with anyone, everyone else is dumber than me.

REZA: No.

DANIEL: You know, I was a pretty good photographer.  I’m pretty good at SEO, but you don’t win by yourself. Like the best teams are essentially teams that perhaps is led by an amazing person, but they understand that alone they cannot win the market. And I guess for me, I guess I’m going through my own humbling phase of introducing who I am. I may not be well known, but you’ve got to start somewhere.

REZA: And, dude, like I’ve seen your blog and your posts, and it’s actually inspired me to build my own personal brand…

DANIEL: Awesome.

REZA: … in the paid marketing space. So, Daniel, I think it’s really courageous of you for making your own personal brand.

DANIEL:  For sure.

REZA: It really takes guts to go and do it, to put yourself and your name out there, your face out there. That is a ballsy thing to do.

DANIEL: I know, it’s scary. All the haters that come at me, I’m ready.

REZA: So how did you actually choose to start this?

DANIEL: I had built a personal brand like Daniel K Cheung was actually when I first started photography and I was very vocal about photography and running a business. And that’s how I landed my first clients. I was just being so brutally honest. It was different. And then once you reach a certain level of maybe awareness within a group, then you realize I have more to lose now. And then for me, I shied away from that. I didn’t want to damage my brand by being controversial or saying things that I know would irk people. And there’s also that conversation I needed to have with my wife was, there is a certain risk of me promoting who I am now and letting her know and asking her, “Is this okay with you?” As long as we understand the why.

It’s not because I want to be famous. It’s because it’s just a means to achieve a certain goal for our financial dependence. I need to be me. I can’t hide behind a brand. I can’t hide behind someone else’s brand. In order for us to buy property and to live well, you got to build yourself up, and she understood that. And she still has those anxiety attacks when sometimes I caused dramas between people, but at the end of the day, as a team, me and her, we know why we’re doing it and that gets us through.

REZA: Yup.

DANIEL: We still fight but it gets us through, and that’s how I can stomach sometimes the adrenaline rush that you get when someone’s called you out on Facebook for saying something.

REZA: Yep, sure. Right, for sure. And like where do you see your personal brand going in the next couple years?

DANIEL: I have no idea. That’s what excites me. Like I don’t want to be the best SEO, I don’t want to be the best marketer. I don’t care. I just want to make a comfortable living and do it well, and not harm anyone in doing so.

REZA: And I guess, you know, get some speaking gigs, arrangements, or pay things.

DANIEL: Maybe.

REZA: Like what can be done through a personal brand because I actually have no clue.

DANIEL: Everything.

REZA: I don’t know.

DANIEL: Once you’ve got a personal brand, the doors open.

REZA: Yeah.

DANIEL: You can… Like for me, I know I have an online course avenue if I want to pursue it. I can do one-on-ones, I can go to firms and become a consultant. Like without that, like a personal brand is meaningless by itself. You need the referrals and recommendations to get you there, and that’s what I’m really working on, building up those person-to-person relationships because those are things that get you through the door and through the gatekeeper.  Again, that’s something that I neglected and ignored, and possibly burned when I was younger because I just didn’t care or whatever. And I’ve come to realize through that experience, probably not the best way to approach life.

REZA: Definitely. And look, dude, actually speaking of that, I think my worst, darkest period was I burnt two very important bridges when I was 18 with big names in Adelaide and one of them is a worldwide entrepreneur. He’s built multiple, multimillion dollar startups and I burned a bridge with them, the big one. I was such an idiot and, yeah, like, “Fuck. What were we thinking?”

DANIEL: I know. When you look back it’s like, “Dude…” But you know, I’m going to wrap this up. I think we’ve talked long enough. Thanks, Reza.

REZA: Daniel, thank you so much for having me.

DANIEL: Thank you for being so candid. I really appreciate it and I can’t wait to catch up with you next time.

REZA: Thank you, Daniel. Appreciate it.

DANIEL: Cheers, man.

REZA: Cheers, man.

DANIEL: And that, folks, is a wrap to this episode of Make SEO Simple Again. Did you like this episode? Would you like to hear more of this? Then don’t forget to subscribe to this podcast via Spotify, Apple podcast, and also YouTube. Search for “Make SEO Simple Again” and you will find us there. It would also mean the world to me if you could take a few seconds of your precious time to write me a review. This will help others discover Make SEO Simple Again. We have also a Facebook community group called “Make SEO Simple Again” where anyone can join and seek answers to SEO-related challenges that they are facing.

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So until next time, I’m Daniel K. Cheung, the host of Make SEO Simple Again, and it has been an absolute pleasure spending time together with you. Be well, stay curious, and I cannot wait to share more stories with you next time.

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